the dealers definitely aren't budging...or I haven't given it enough time. nobody is calling me back too quickly even though I've expressed interest as a buyer...they may be playing the game also...b/c , in my opinion, eventually someone will come in and buy the x5 at or close to their listing prices. these dealerships are happy selling to the impulse buyers....it makes sense....wealthy people are still wealthy...and they care less about gas mileage than the masses. To be honest, this is would be my first BMW, and i care very little about fuel economy, since this won't be my main car. But I am here because there seems to value in this particular SUV relative to the other ones out there...plus it looks a hell of a lot better...There are very few people on these boards that are saying they got an incredible deal or even a great deal for that matter. Someone mentioned a good deal in Oregon......that is in Oregon!!! I live in central New Jersey and work in Manhattan; I think the numbers that I presented were "deals" relative to the area I live in.